Why x22 is undetected

[PwN3R_BoSs]

Hello Community :P

I got a really exciting question..
I even cant find the answere with googling the whole Internet :SSS

Why is x22 undetected? o.O
I mean: Is it cause it is coded "hidden" or has x22 a Deal with VAC and Punkbuster or what?

Can the coder "x22" please answere? I think he knows it better than anyone else :P

Ty

[Klapklap88]

Sure he made a deal with Valve, he's actually Newell's Boss, he even have a deal with Mc Donalds who provide him food and all those stuff.

Well there is a rumor saying he's talented and coded some prevention tools for stupid anti cheats but... well, if you ask me it totally nonsense.

[Miichaaeell070]

Sure he made a deal with Valve, he's actually Newell's Boss, he even have a deal with Mc Donalds who provide him food and all those stuff.

Well there is a rumor saying he's talented and coded some prevention tools for stupid anti cheats but... well, if you ask me it totally nonsense.lol hahahahahahahaha

[CORE-T]

well he coded something since i never got banned ;)

[Apocaliptica]

Why x22 is undetected

because selling detected cheats isnt very clever.

[JohnnyWalker]

Sure he made a deal with Valve, he's actually Newell's Boss, he even have a deal with Mc Donalds who provide him food and all those stuff.

Great,

made my day. :D


Well there is a rumor saying he's talented and coded some prevention tools for stupid anti cheats but... well, if you ask me it totally nonsense.
Agree,

x22 is a very good coder.

Since he coded his preventation tools, it's very hard for the ACs to detect the cheat, better I say to ban players.

That x22 isn't so often detected is cause x22 knows what he's doing.


because selling detected cheats isnt very clever.

+1. :D

[PwN3R_BoSs]

Yes but thats not a reason xD

Its like..Anti Virus is busting EVERY Virus..then there apperas a Virus which cant b busted..So im wondering how the f*** this can happen xD

[Apocaliptica]

of course it's possible to get detected like every other cheat, but our prevention tools are quite good and we still got the lowest detection rate compared to other cheats. :)

[Miichaaeell070]

coding skills...the better you are at coding...the harder it is to detect stuff...thats the easiest way to explain

[PwN3R_BoSs]

Yea i know that..but its easier/faster to make something dirty than cleaning it :P
So..what i exactly mean is: VAC has an advantage..and instanthook is the cleaner or what xD
Maybe one time they will change ONE Line of their script and every account is banned xD

[loveboat]

why don't you just ask x22 for the source code?

[distiny]

once a sig has been added to detect our cheat, the cheat will 'know' this and will make your game crash before it detects it and creates a log.

x22 will then update the cheat, no bans, and prob fixed


or was it magic ?

[PwN3R_BoSs]

@loveboatBecause he wont give me?
Do you really think he will give this to anyone? XDD
We would be able to steal his hard work..or make it public or some shit :P

@destiny:
Hmm lets say VAC will detect it in one day or what..how can instanthook know that VAC knows the cheat to crash the game BEFORE detecting to get rid of the ban?
But if it really works like you say...wow epic..I mean..It really is possible..thx for this answere..havent tought about that^^

Well..im finished with this Topic ;D

[Klapklap88]

They would need to change their system but.. it would took them months and much money to develop it but it takes only a day for x22 to strike back.

x22 takes are of his customers, he probably have not the best cheats out there but the lowest detection rate and if it would be such simple to kick x22's ass. Why it didn't happened?

[Roxtaar]

It's undetected because x22 is a god.

[PwN3R_BoSs]

They would need to change their system but.. it would took them months and much money to develop it but it takes only a day for x22 to strike back.

Ähm x22 never have been busted..THATS why i am wondering..
Because if VAC detects x22 ONE TIME..there will be sooo god damn much banned accounts
And yes its hard for VAC to find out how to bust this shit xD
But its also hard for x22 to find out which lines he got to edit..because he havent got the source Code from VAC..he cant know which line VAC changed..or can he? XD

[fegga]

Ähm x22 never have been busted..THATS why i am wondering..
Because if VAC detects x22 ONE TIME..there will be sooo god damn much banned accounts
And yes its hard for VAC to find out how to bust this shit xD
But its also hard for x22 to find out which lines he got to edit..because he havent got the source Code from VAC..he cant know which line VAC changed..or can he? XD
VAC using a CRC32 detection system, x22 seem to find a way around that since hes cheats are undetected.

[Klapklap88]

x22 has been busted, at least if we're talking about the same.
The "problem" was that x22 disabled the hack and fixed it mostly within a day.
So only a few customers have been caught.

If you would know how for example VAC works then you would know that changing a line isn't a real deal and wouldn't cause a detection. To be honest my VAC knowledge are limited but i'm aware of the concept. I also don't know much about the prevention tool and this is something i didn't need to know either. All me and you need to know is that it recognize changes and let the game crashes.

Another point: If a simple changed line in VAC would cause a huge detection wave for x22 customers, why it never happened? This could have 2 reasons:

1. A line change wouldn't help
2. x22 is a fucking coding machine and such talented that a line change would only cause detections on stupid 1337 hacks but not on his.


However the question about "why" is kind of stupid. We don't need to know.
It works and it works over months. It passed different ban waves and not a single game account of mine is banned yet.
If x22 would share his secret we're all in danger, so who cares about the why? I'm unbanned thats it.

[sangriya]

Ähm x22 never have been busted..THATS why i am wondering..
Because if VAC detects x22 ONE TIME..there will be sooo god damn much banned accounts
And yes its hard for VAC to find out how to bust this shit xD
But its also hard for x22 to find out which lines he got to edit..because he havent got the source Code from VAC..he cant know which line VAC changed..or can he? XD

please, get out of this thread, this is getting ridiculous

you don't know anything about cheat developement

and yes, x22 was detected several times (most detections on css I believe) but since he invented the vac/pb prevention tool there weren't any huge ban waves

[PwN3R_BoSs]

Hm yea fine :P

I still wonder WHY and HOW the fu** i am the FIRST one whos asking this..nobody else asked this..everyone is like "Okay this is 100% secured and i risk nothing..lets take it..who the fuck cared who it works and how he did this" XD
SORRY IF ANYONE THINKS I am insulting someone..I AM NOT!! xD


please, get out of this thread, this is getting ridiculous

you don't know anything about cheat developement

and yes, x22 was detected several times (most detections on css I believe) but since he invented the vac/pb prevention tool there weren't any huge ban waves

I think YOU should get out..if THIS is too complicated for you..

1. This is a Forum..
2. If you are exactly reading what I am writing you would understand everything..why doesKlapKlap88 understand me then?
If its getting u on our nerves PLEASE dont klick this Thread^^

[Hellracer]

Ähm x22 never have been busted..THATS why i am wondering..
Because if VAC detects x22 ONE TIME..there will be sooo god damn much banned accounts
And yes its hard for VAC to find out how to bust this shit xD
But its also hard for x22 to find out which lines he got to edit..because he havent got the source Code from VAC..he cant know which line VAC changed..or can he? XD

from your 1000 XDs i can tell your age, under 14!!!

u got busted and ur account will be perm banned soon!

haha

[sangriya]

from your 1000 XDs i can tell your age, under 14!!!

u got busted and ur account will be perm banned soon!

haha

Damn Hellracer, we have the same mind, these fucking smileys are so incredibly annoying, it feels like we are in kindergarten

[Hellracer]

Damn Hellracer, we have the same mind, these fucking smileys are so incredibly annoying, it feels like we are in kindergarten

ya i know it bc my lil sister which is 9 makes always this damn XDs....

[war]

What I think he does is, hides the dll in a module so that VAC won't scan and pick up the signatures, also VAC detects the cheat and it rights the signature and if enough people have the same signature then it will cause the ban's to go off...

[fegga]

Hm yea fine :P

I still wonder WHY and HOW the fu** i am the FIRST one whos asking this..nobody else asked this..everyone is like "Okay this is 100% secured and i risk nothing..lets take it..who the fuck cared who it works and how he did this" XD
SORRY IF ANYONE THINKS I am insulting someone..I AM NOT!! xD



I think YOU should get out..if THIS is too complicated for you..

1. This is a Forum..
2. If you are exactly reading what I am writing you would understand everything..why doesKlapKlap88 understand me then?
If its getting u on our nerves PLEASE dont klick this Thread^^
I guess people are curious about it but there is no point of ask since x22 would never tell us. That would be a risk of getting the cheats detected if VAC know how x22 do, then they maybe know their misstake and solve it.
Thats just my theory but I think it make sense.

[fegga]

What I think he does is, hides the dll in a module so that VAC won't scan and pick up the signatures, also VAC detects the cheat and it rights the signature and if enough people have the same signature then it will cause the ban's to go off...
Thats a good theory but I dont think so. I dont know really but I just dont think it is like that. As I said VAC using a CRC32 detection system and scanning for hooks on your client.

[Klapklap88]

please, get out of this thread, this is getting ridiculous

you don't know anything about cheat developement

Sorry dude but this isn't a reason. He asked because he didn't know.
And why the hell should everyone know everything?
If i would ask a bricklayer how to build up a wall should i also go away because i have no clue about it?

There isn't much he could get informations from. And for sure he didn't know much about coding stuff but that isn't a shame.

If he's wrong then correct him or leave him alone. But don't try to be l33t cause you know something he didn't thats just retarded in my opinion.

(For sure i have no problem with you, only with this attitude)

[PwN3R_BoSs]

from your 1000 XDs i can tell your age, under 14!!!

u got busted and ur account will be perm banned soon!

haha
Oh man..
Whos the childish one shich thinks he knows the age of someone only because he is writing smileys or smthing..

I am NOT under 16..
I am from a German city (not Germany) so we are speaking the German Language..So: Is this the englishstyle of a "under 14 year old kid"???

But w/e :D

Edit: Why should my account get permbanned soon? Oo
Hmm but okay..nice kind of "greet" a new user here..

To my smileys: For me smileys are saying how i feel right now..or whats my emotion or w/e
I m not a robot..I am not like everyone

[Vitalic]

the main reason is because x22 is very smart at general security, most detections in the past came from people leaking hacks to AC devs but he has made that very difficult

[loveboat]

@loveboatBecause he wont give me?
Do you really think he will give this to anyone? XDD
We would be able to steal his hard work..or make it public or some shit :P

Oh, right. How smart. I forgot to mention that.


@destiny:

sup destiny?

http://4chanmemeandmotivational.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/destiny_-_you_where_suppose_to_be_somewhere_else_tonight_in stead_youre_awesom-o.jpg?w=600&h=480

[PwN3R_BoSs]

Oh, right. How smart. I forgot to mention that.

No problem mate^^ Everyone makes mistakes :S

[loveboat]

No problem mate^^ Everyone makes mistakes :S

Gosh, you are too dumb. There was a song by Paul McCartney called 'Ebony and ..." - was it ivory or irony? Help me. Enough off-topic for me now.

[PwN3R_BoSs]

Haaah lol you got me..rlly didnt recognized the irony..u know? there are much ppl which..i really dont know how to say...ppl who are really that..ähm dumb? xD
Sorry^^

[Mario27]

no problem mate^^ everyone makes mistakes :s


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[PwN3R_BoSs]

Okay..we know it..Im dumb ._.

[7709kunst]

because selling detected cheats isnt very clever.

^made mah day

[distiny]

since it's starting to turn in a troll fest, flame I'm going to close this.

source of the anti vac/pb can be found on 4chan /b/

yes munchkins, 4chan is god